Is that seriously the demonym? Terrible. Try harder, Dallasites.
mchusma•Aug 4, 2026
I thought it was a typo, or strange url at first.
gryfft•Aug 4, 2026
Dallasians?
Dallasers?
Dallaslets?
Dallards?
CalRobert•Aug 4, 2026
Dalwegians?
JacobAsmuth•Aug 4, 2026
Dallonians
dyauspitr•Aug 4, 2026
Dallamites, Dallsatians
stronglikedan•Aug 4, 2026
Dallazens
seizethecheese•Aug 4, 2026
Texas -> Texan
Kansas - Kansan
Honduras -> Honduran
It should be Dallan?
ndm000•Aug 4, 2026
Having grown up in Dallas, I usually just say "Texan" and call it a day.
bijowo1676•Aug 4, 2026
I like North Texans
dgunay•Aug 4, 2026
It sounds too much like "parasite" for me to be comfortable using it. I'm assuming some random person made it up. It's okay to just say "people of/from <place>", guys.
raddan•Aug 4, 2026
But then you lose extra important information from words like "masshole."
chasd00•Aug 4, 2026
better than "cityofhate" which is what we're called most of the time.
triceratops•Aug 4, 2026
Understandable, I'd also hate to live in Dallas /s
gumby271•Aug 4, 2026
Dallmatians
adrianmonk•Aug 4, 2026
What's your better suggestion? Dallasonian? Dallaser? Dallasan?
Also, do you have the same issue with the demonyms Manhattanite or Seattleite?
quxbar•Aug 4, 2026
Here in Austin, I'm stuck calling an uber and hoping I get a Waymo. When does that deal expire?
I doubt the geofence exclusion is because of the demographics of those areas and not the demand for autonomous vehicles in those areas, although I don't doubt the latter is a result of the former.
smt88•Aug 4, 2026
I doubt this is correct. “It’s expensive to be poor” — a lot of people who can’t afford cars (or have bad credit) end up Ubering to/from work every day
epolanski•Aug 4, 2026
How can that be anywhere near financially sustainable.
In any case I pity the state of public transport in US.
elictronic•Aug 4, 2026
Tesla has fewer miles than I have driven in my lifetime. It’s currently still a half baked product. This might be a story in a few years but today you’re comparing an F150 to a Delorean.
It’s an extremely consistent experience, and you can sit in the front seat (something I like personally). With Uber and taxi services, you never know what kind of driver or ride you’re going to get.
ooopsss•Aug 4, 2026
Uber is at least 1000x better than traditionally taxi, without any rating system.
sbuttgereit•Aug 4, 2026
They use to be (along with Lyft). But it's been a very long time since that was clearly true.
In reality I think you can get better experiences than a taxi with a rideshare service (which they really aren't for a very long time), but it's very hit or miss.
So less consistently bad as a taxi service... but far from consistently good.
giancarlostoro•Aug 4, 2026
The real test is, can these self-driving cars drive I-4 without getting into any sort of wreck?
Keeps on being rolled out in red states while being delayed in blue states, quite unfortunate.
mrtesthah•Aug 4, 2026
Is it unfortunate, though?
dmitrygr•Aug 4, 2026
"Maybe it's something you've got that they haven't got." - Owen Kellogg
km3r•Aug 4, 2026
The anti-science slopulism of the far left is infecting blue states. Hopefully the liberal left can fight back to prevent the party being taken over like maga did to Republicans.
wwalexander•Aug 4, 2026
What “anti-science slopulism” are you referring to? And what does corporate rollout strategy have to do with science?
xnx•Aug 4, 2026
History of being anti-nuclear. Now against "AI" and self driving cars because they like trains.
runako•Aug 4, 2026
Divide this differently:
- states where the major cities commonly have snow for > 3 months
- states where the major cities commonly have snow for < 1 month
Inclement weather is likely the differentiator. Blue state California gets Waymo in its biggest cities, which handily do not get much snow. The other Waymo cities are all below the Mason-Dixon Line.
xnx•Aug 4, 2026
Blocked even from testing in NYC. Blocked from DC and Boston. Unfortunately this does have more to do with bad government than bad weather.
runako•Aug 4, 2026
Boston, according to Waymo[1], is dependent on the legislature making autonomous vehicles legal. Apparently NY state laws also require a human driver at the wheel.
The only surprising thing about this is that other states did not require changes in law. It's Good, Actually, that big companies are (sometimes) bound by the same laws that bind the rest of us.
(That note also suggests they are still testing their cold-weather kit and are not quite ready.)
I personally saw a Waymo in NYC on June 26th at 14th St and 8th Avenue, so they’ve done some recent testing at least.
cortesoft•Aug 4, 2026
They have been fully open here in Los Angeles for almost two years now.
Zigurd•Aug 4, 2026
It's easier to roll out in places where it seldom snows.
xnx•Aug 4, 2026
Definitely true, but snow affecting driving conditions is becoming pretty rare in cities like Chicago.
skeeter2020•Aug 4, 2026
maybe weather events that disrupt travel, but impact things like visibility, lane definition, etc? That's still super-common in Chicago and a lot of the US.
Geezus_42•Aug 4, 2026
Dallas drivers are bad enough already...
hmokiguess•Aug 4, 2026
Missed opportunity to say "Open to Y'all"
BugsJustFindMe•Aug 4, 2026
"Open to All Y'all"
raddan•Aug 4, 2026
Isn't there supposed to be a liaison in there? "Open to Alls Y'all"
Gotta start somewhere. Still bigger than any competitor.
Sheeny96•Aug 4, 2026
Why are the cars so big? Wouldn't it make sense to have a bunch of much smaller, single person vehicles?
jwpapi•Aug 4, 2026
I’m thinking that since 2015. Like BMW C1 just with doors on the side and a bit more security. This would approx allow 3-4x as many travellers on a given route compared to traditional cars.
grim_io•Aug 4, 2026
A C1 with more security, meaning more material and air between you and a potential high-speed obstacle, is called a car and is sized like one.
cortesoft•Aug 4, 2026
Why would it make more sense? It isn't like a car half the size would cost half as much, but it would severely limit the capacity. Now, you can get a waymo for 1-4 people, but if some (or all) were single occupant, you would be limited.
Being smaller does not help that much much in cost per mile, but has a big cost for functionality.
smt88•Aug 4, 2026
SFC costs don’t scale linearly with volume or number of seats.
The cameras, LIDAR, and sensors are all fixed costs. You need them on even a single-person car. And they’re extremely costly.
arccy•Aug 4, 2026
Americans are fat, they don't fit.
boc•Aug 4, 2026
The All-American Retatrutide is (nearly) here to save us all thankfully.
porphyra•Aug 4, 2026
Tesla Cybercab has about three or four times the efficiency and like a fifth of the price by having smaller, two person vehicles. Indeed, the vast majority of trips are taken by single people and it's ridiculous to have a giant machine for them. It would also be okay to have a handful of larger, Model Y-sized vehicles for the multi-person trips.
To actually answer your question: Part of the reason why the Waymo cars are so big is because they got a deal on buying all the Jaguar I-Pace vehicles, which checked several boxes:
* Electric vehicles and hybrids are preferable for self driving cars as they have robust electrical power for the sensors and compute
* Larger minivans or SUVs are preferable for both development work and early scaling up where you can't afford to have both smaller and larger vehicles
* The I-Pace wasn't selling well so they managed to snag the whole production batch
* Though Jaguar isn't exactly known for their great reliability and electrical systems, the I-Pace, manufactured by Magna Steyr, is actually decent
The first two reasons are why the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid, the only hybrid minivan sold in the US, was so popular for early self driving car efforts (including with Waymo) in the 2010s.
That said, Waymo's Ojai is somewhat more space efficient than the older I-Pace. They also have the Ioniq 5 coming.
ape4•Aug 4, 2026
Anyone with a credit card
1over137•Aug 4, 2026
And presumably their app?, which requires either an Apple or Google account.
smt88•Aug 4, 2026
Uber app only requires an email address
wilg•Aug 4, 2026
I'm sure you can imagine why it might be unnecessarily complicated for a Waymo to take cash.
vel0city•Aug 4, 2026
There are tons of automated systems which take cash. I do agree it would add some complexity to the equipment in the car, but its not like it would be that difficult to do it. These cars have to go back to the depot eventually, emptying the cash bins would just be one more cleaning step. I do agree though they don't bother because it probably would cost more to manage in the end than the amount of rides they're losing not accepting cash.
Just another example though, while credit card processing fees aren't always cheap its not like its free to process cash.
ventana•Aug 4, 2026
Debit card works just fine with Waymo, just like with Lyft and Uber.
Cider9986•Aug 4, 2026
It does seem necessary to have cameras inside driverless cars but I don't want to if Google is running the show. Your biometrics will probably be stored for "enforcing Google's policies" at a minimum [1].
And then a Waymo dropped teenagers off at the police? I don't care if that was a human, I don't want no snitch car service [2].
Unfortunately doing drive-bys is also a TOS violation for Uber and Lyft
arjie•Aug 4, 2026
Surprisingly low hype for a company running perhaps the most advanced consumer-interactive robots. I’m quite fond of these machines and will periodically rescue them when someone has misused them (door not closed, most commonly). Hope they do well. Very good road participants.
airstrike•Aug 4, 2026
I love Waymo. The only problem I have with it is that it further siphons wages from local economies into Silicon Valley, beyond what Uber/Lyft already did.
boc•Aug 4, 2026
You could argue that cheaper/safer local rideshare would boost traffic to local bars and restaurants in denser areas though. If you want to keep the $ local, just add an AV tax that goes to the city.
cortesoft•Aug 4, 2026
I live very close to LAX, and we have hundreds of Waymos in our area. At first i was a little weary, and kinda weirded out by all of them.
They have become completely normal, and cause WAY fewer traffic incidents than human drivers. They are very predictable, and will always let you pull in front of them when changing lanes (unlike a lot of other LA drivers).
I have seen a few incidents where they seem 'stuck', and it was a bit annoying and kind of funny, but again, it does not happen nearly as often as for human drivers.
I also like taking them. It is nice to just get in and relax and not have to talk to anyone or worry about who is going to pick you up. You can control the temperature and music from your phone, you can drop the pin exactly where you want to be dropped off and picked up, and the ride is smooth and comfortable.
We can debate all the knock on effects of Waymos, but the user experience is pretty great.
YKutsev•Aug 4, 2026
Been in a Waymo in SF — impressive tech. But I keep wondering: does the math actually work? Car + all the sensors + maintenance + mapping. Can a single vehicle ever turn a profit?
epolanski•Aug 4, 2026
It's very interesting, because on one side we have clear data showing that autonomous cars at the Waymo level are safer than humans.
On the other hand we don't give technology the same pass we give to humans, meaning that we don't tolerate machine incidents the same way we tolerate human ones.
Which means that self-driving cars need to be a magnitude of order safer than humans.
And even though a self-driving car will never road rage or use the car as a weapon on christmas markets, we'll still tolerate humans driving more than one odd 1-in-a-billion ai-error caused incident.
chrisXOXO•Aug 4, 2026
I am really wondering, how they tackle the long trail problem of unknown situations. Sure they are monitor them constantly but I am asking precisely, how to handle situations that occur ridiculously infrequently: do they sample them 1000x in sim? Or do they use a different model and track uncertainty in the model constantly?
How to get another 0 between the dot and the percent sign in situations where the model makes the wrong choice with a significant probability?
jdlshore•Aug 4, 2026
There was an article a while back that talked about their simulated world model. It has the ability to do things like floods, elephants on the road, etc.
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Does that include the suburbs?
so, no suburbs, only enclaves
Dallards?
It should be Dallan?
Also, do you have the same issue with the demonyms Manhattanite or Seattleite?
In any case I pity the state of public transport in US.
People hate human drivers more than they hate the idea of AI drivers
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/04/business/uber-sexual-assa...
In reality I think you can get better experiences than a taxi with a rideshare service (which they really aren't for a very long time), but it's very hit or miss.
So less consistently bad as a taxi service... but far from consistently good.
https://www.worldatlas.com/places/the-most-dangerous-highway...
- states where the major cities commonly have snow for > 3 months
- states where the major cities commonly have snow for < 1 month
Inclement weather is likely the differentiator. Blue state California gets Waymo in its biggest cities, which handily do not get much snow. The other Waymo cities are all below the Mason-Dixon Line.
The only surprising thing about this is that other states did not require changes in law. It's Good, Actually, that big companies are (sometimes) bound by the same laws that bind the rest of us.
(That note also suggests they are still testing their cold-weather kit and are not quite ready.)
1 - https://waymo.com/blog/shorts/back-to-boston/
https://www.twu.org/twu-tech-newsletter-waymo-no-mo-in-nyc-f...
Hmm. Maybe in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Texas?
Being smaller does not help that much much in cost per mile, but has a big cost for functionality.
The cameras, LIDAR, and sensors are all fixed costs. You need them on even a single-person car. And they’re extremely costly.
To actually answer your question: Part of the reason why the Waymo cars are so big is because they got a deal on buying all the Jaguar I-Pace vehicles, which checked several boxes:
* Electric vehicles and hybrids are preferable for self driving cars as they have robust electrical power for the sensors and compute
* Larger minivans or SUVs are preferable for both development work and early scaling up where you can't afford to have both smaller and larger vehicles
* The I-Pace wasn't selling well so they managed to snag the whole production batch
* Though Jaguar isn't exactly known for their great reliability and electrical systems, the I-Pace, manufactured by Magna Steyr, is actually decent
The first two reasons are why the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid, the only hybrid minivan sold in the US, was so popular for early self driving car efforts (including with Waymo) in the 2010s.
That said, Waymo's Ojai is somewhat more space efficient than the older I-Pace. They also have the Ioniq 5 coming.
Just another example though, while credit card processing fees aren't always cheap its not like its free to process cash.
And then a Waymo dropped teenagers off at the police? I don't care if that was a human, I don't want no snitch car service [2].
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49027861
https://www.404media.co/waymo-called-police-on-teens-san-mat...
They have become completely normal, and cause WAY fewer traffic incidents than human drivers. They are very predictable, and will always let you pull in front of them when changing lanes (unlike a lot of other LA drivers).
I have seen a few incidents where they seem 'stuck', and it was a bit annoying and kind of funny, but again, it does not happen nearly as often as for human drivers.
I also like taking them. It is nice to just get in and relax and not have to talk to anyone or worry about who is going to pick you up. You can control the temperature and music from your phone, you can drop the pin exactly where you want to be dropped off and picked up, and the ride is smooth and comfortable.
We can debate all the knock on effects of Waymos, but the user experience is pretty great.
On the other hand we don't give technology the same pass we give to humans, meaning that we don't tolerate machine incidents the same way we tolerate human ones.
Which means that self-driving cars need to be a magnitude of order safer than humans.
And even though a self-driving car will never road rage or use the car as a weapon on christmas markets, we'll still tolerate humans driving more than one odd 1-in-a-billion ai-error caused incident.