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abirch•Jul 21, 2026
Well Meta has hijacked my privacy. Now IRL Meta can track me from the people wearing their sunglasses.
ninju•Jul 21, 2026
how so...back button history is fine for me (Chrome/Windows)
Zaheer•Jul 21, 2026
This fits with my impression of the 'personality' of various models:
Meta: Perceptive (strong vision)
Gemini: Fastest
Claude: Smartest
OpenAI: Prettiest
economistbob•Jul 21, 2026
Qwen: Zestiest
Nemo: Straightest
DeepSeek: Craftiest
munk-a•Jul 21, 2026
And, of course, Grok: Sir-not-appearing-in-this-listest
radiorental•Jul 21, 2026
Drunkleist?
ben_w•Jul 21, 2026
Muskiest
kubrickslair•Jul 21, 2026
Why do you think OpenAI is the prettiest?
Claude often makes better looking interfaces and designs. And I think OpenAI has solved more open math/ stats/ CS problems.
embedding-shape•Jul 21, 2026
> Claude often makes better looking interfaces and designs
How do you even qualify this? Either by "Well, when you're not specifying anything about it in the prompt" and then it almost doesn't matter at all, or by what actually goes into the prompt, then again it doesn't matter at all what model you use, more about the person driving it.
giancarlostoro•Jul 21, 2026
> And I think OpenAI has solved more open math/ stats/ CS problems.
Still surprises me that OpenAI seems to lead in this one weird niche, I wonder what causes GPT to be able to routinely pull this off, there was one instance where some random 18 year old broke some mathematical question without knowing more than high school math if I remember correctly, all because of GPT.
Zaheer•Jul 21, 2026
Their text output often includes more emojis and seems formatted better. Also their image models subjectively looks better than the rest.
noodlescb•Jul 21, 2026
I love how consistently none of us even vaguely consider Grok an actual player
airstrafer•Jul 21, 2026
The models might be good but the product design, user story, and marketing is so terrible that it’s difficult to see it as more than an also-ran
noodlescb•Jul 21, 2026
Even that is kind tbh. The company is so poorly run and the leader so controversial that it makes it irresponsible to build anything serious that relies on their products. Other than the rocket part of the business, everything else under the SpaceX umbrella is a nonstarter.
giancarlostoro•Jul 21, 2026
Starlink arguably is not the rocket part and its the most profitable piece, it held together the rocket side of SpaceX and he expanded research and development.
pram•Jul 21, 2026
To Grok's credit I think it's fairly good as a creative writing tool because it can be very "spontaneous" and it naturally seems to use an informal style. It also lacks a lot of the words and phrasing Claude and OpenAI get hyper-fixated on.
IDK if this is emergent from being trained on an endless trough of Twitter shitposts but compared to how stiff the rest are, I consider it a feature. I wouldn't use it for anything important though, heh.
hgoel•Jul 21, 2026
They aren't talking about vision LLMs though. SAM and DINO are vision models, no LLM involved.
theplumber•Jul 21, 2026
I would replace Gemini with DeepSeek. I also find OpenAI smarter than Claude but Claude is better for API ergonomics and frontend
nine_k•Jul 21, 2026
The scoop: X-ray imaging of various strictures for scientific purposes produces colossal reams of data, previously hard to analyze. Meta provides machine analysis, both segmentation and classification, using unsupervised learning models.
> a fully reconstructed, semantically labeled 3D volume delivered back to the scientist physically standing at the beamline [x-ray] instrument, ready for interpretation while the experiment is still running. Total turnaround: approximately 15 minutes.
iLoveOncall•Jul 21, 2026
So, not LLM models, right?
Also on this:
> The numbers are staggering: The DOE's light and neutron source facilities now produce tens of petabytes of data annually
Come on, petabytes are not staggering for entreprise software.
munk-a•Jul 21, 2026
I used to work with images representing scans of brain tissue - for a full brain visualization at one horizontal slice terabytes was a common measure and the resolution of those images wasn't even particularly detailed - all the full resolution stuff was taken of tiny sub-sections of interest. This was also two decades ago - so I'm sure they've upped their game.
momojo•Jul 21, 2026
My company does whole-brain scans of mice on a Zeiss Z.1. Lower resolutions are typically in the low hundreds of GB. Higher-resolutions and multichannel staining can get you in the TB range. When a typical client is doing 10's of brains it definitely adds up. But even for us (and I consider us a smaller operation) we aren't output PB's. So I'd consider the above claim still pretty impressive.
munk-a•Jul 21, 2026
Yeah - our multi TB scan from two decades ago was a dolphin brain image which is a fair bit larger than mouse - and it was a stained sample that ended up being used as our demo image frequently because the contrast dyes set well and resulted in a very pretty visual overall.
I didn't meant to say that PBs of image data is common place - we had no image that approached that size - but people outside the domain of microscope scan results might be unfamiliar with just how chonky these image files would get traditionally.
hgoel•Jul 21, 2026
I think a big thing that the enterprise comparison misses is that this is petabytes worth of dense data that has to be put through fairly heavy processing (some of which is currently custom for the specific experiment) and studied by a human.
It isn't just a giant database of small files and metadata blindly feeding a recommender system.
Several petabytes is definitely a staggering amount of data in that context of being analyzed by human eyes to extract some scientific value.
ben_w•Jul 21, 2026
I'm not sure exactly which enterprises you have in mind, but sure: quantities which can be expressed as "a year's worth fits on my desk" should not be described as "staggering", and 10 PB of hard drives will (just about) fit on my desk.
The LHC, on the other hand, that generates a petabyte a second and has to throw most of it away for obvious reasons:
Gonna need to have a talk with LLNL. I'm sure they didn't choose the name, but seems a tad leaning in to use the name of tech from Star Trek meant to produce untold abundance that instead became an unintentional doomsday device.
mawadev•Jul 21, 2026
That is — incredible
rozap•Jul 21, 2026
Really fascinating writeup — I particularly appreciated how they didn't hesitate to delve into the load bearing design choices — the implications are staggering.
6stringmerc•Jul 21, 2026
As a former proposal specialist (B2B, B2G, non DoD) I looked into the Genesis Mission procurement site and process.
Unless someone can correct me, the total amount of grant monies is $280,000,000 or so.
It became obvious that it’s not worth my time to engage in the “mission” as they call it, even if I could benefit some worthwhile causes.
That’s a pittance and pretty insulting to the purported benefit of funding scientific endeavors. I’m not even attempting to be political here. $280 Million versus $XX Billion for warfighting is a seriously gross misallocation of public monies, IMHO.
Total lackluster reporting on the scale and scope of the actual numbers, but not surprising.
philipwhiuk•Jul 21, 2026
It's a weird world where $280M is not considered a lot of money.
orochimaaru•Jul 21, 2026
This is a really weird comparison. The Chan Zuckerberg foundation is nowhere involved with any war. All they’re doing is making money available for research. In which universe is $280m not enough?
lenerdenator•Jul 21, 2026
When the people running it have a net worth of over $150 billion.
brcmthrowaway•Jul 21, 2026
ELI5.
embedding-shape•Jul 21, 2026
SAM 3 (Segment Anything Model 3) and DINOv3, projects released by Facebook, were used to do science and research.
Petersipoi•Jul 21, 2026
AI model inspects hundreds of thousands of scientific images. A job that previously took an expert roughly a month can now be completed in around 15 minutes.
momojo•Jul 21, 2026
I'm no fan of Facebook or its social effects but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source.
Popular microscopy models like Cellpose[0] have leaned heavily on the cornucopia of open and SOTA power. I have no doubt thousands of biologists have benefitted from the capabilities these models bring. I think it was unthinkable just 5 years ago that a single biologist with just a laptop could do mass-segmentation at this kind of fidelity.
Then there's Napari and it's plugin ecosystem[1] that wouldn't exist without the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. Again, I'm not trying to glaze them but as someone in the biotech/microscopy space I can't understate how often I use and benefit from their open source.
> but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source.
ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...
righthand•Jul 21, 2026
React is more of a plague than a wonderful downstream effect or mixed bag. It’s essentially cemented Js as the way to build a website even if you don’t need the complexity. It is the leader in brain dead Js evangelism.
DaiPlusPlus•Jul 21, 2026
Credit where credit is due, though: ReactJS became #1 on its merits.
...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, but Redux isn't a complete, all-under-one-roof framework the way React is; but regardless of that: The Redux/React approach is just fundamentally a better design than what we had before: stateful-controls/widgets and two-way data-binding.
If you'd like to relive how UI devs suffered throughout the 1990s, 2000s, and most of the 2010s I invite you to try making a native Windows 11 desktop UI using WinUI3 using the MVVM (anti-) pattern: nothing but mutable objects of indeterminable state getting caught in infinite-loops or unbound recursion due to INotifyPropertyChanged - and Microsoft is still pretending that's the "right" way to build a UI.
Sorry am ranting on about something I have very little control over; it's just frustating.
andyjohnson0•Jul 21, 2026
> nothing but mutable objects of indeterminable state getting caught in infinite-loops or unbound recursion due to INotifyPropertyChanged
Rant on brother/sister. I'm a year into building a large WPF (because reasons) app for my employer and some days its very difficult.
pavlov•Jul 21, 2026
I made several large Cocoa (macOS AppKit, Obj-C) apps in 2004-2018 using the classic Smalltalk-inspired MVC patterns and this was never a problem. Sometimes writing the controller boilerplate was boring, but at least there were no observer loops, it was simple to debug where things happened, and undo/redo were reliable to implement through the framework.
Maybe Microsoft just never was very good at these 1990s style GUIs?
sailingparrot•Jul 21, 2026
> Meta's open-source approach makes this possible
I'm sorry, was this article drafted in 2024 and never updated?
hgoel•Jul 21, 2026
The models in question have source and weights available. AFAIK not fully FOSS because the weights require registration to access.
kingstnap•Jul 21, 2026
This sort of random out of date comment is a common LLM writing trope. Though it is true that the segment anything model is open source.
> iv. Your use of the SAM Materials will not involve or encourage others to reverse engineer, decompile or discover the underlying components of the SAM Materials.
> v. You are not the target of Trade Controls and your use of SAM Materials must comply with Trade Controls. You agree not to use, or permit others to use, SAM Materials for any activities subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) or end uses prohibited by Trade Controls, including those related to military or warfare purposes, nuclear industries or applications, espionage, or the development or use of guns or illegal weapons.
> b. If you institute litigation or other proceedings against Meta or any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the SAM Materials, outputs or results, or any portion of any of the foregoing, constitutes infringement of intellectual property or other rights owned or licensable by you, then any licenses granted to you under this Agreement shall terminate as of the date such litigation or claim is filed or instituted. You will indemnify and hold harmless Meta from and against any claim by any third party arising out of or related to your use or distribution of the SAM Materials.
It's always nice when a model's weights are released, but Meta's models are not open source because their weights always come with weird restrictions.
khuey•Jul 21, 2026
We've seen b before. React was controversially released with a similar clause and ultimately Facebook dropped it and used a standard open source license. Their lawyers really love this idea for some reason.
lenerdenator•Jul 21, 2026
Do their lawyers love the idea? Hard to say. My guess is, Zuck really likes the idea, so he keeps directing them and their chief counsel to try stuff like this.
It's almost as if having a CEO of a company placed beyond the control of the corporate board is a bad thing.
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Meta: Perceptive (strong vision)
Gemini: Fastest
Claude: Smartest
OpenAI: Prettiest
Nemo: Straightest
DeepSeek: Craftiest
Claude often makes better looking interfaces and designs. And I think OpenAI has solved more open math/ stats/ CS problems.
How do you even qualify this? Either by "Well, when you're not specifying anything about it in the prompt" and then it almost doesn't matter at all, or by what actually goes into the prompt, then again it doesn't matter at all what model you use, more about the person driving it.
Still surprises me that OpenAI seems to lead in this one weird niche, I wonder what causes GPT to be able to routinely pull this off, there was one instance where some random 18 year old broke some mathematical question without knowing more than high school math if I remember correctly, all because of GPT.
IDK if this is emergent from being trained on an endless trough of Twitter shitposts but compared to how stiff the rest are, I consider it a feature. I wouldn't use it for anything important though, heh.
> a fully reconstructed, semantically labeled 3D volume delivered back to the scientist physically standing at the beamline [x-ray] instrument, ready for interpretation while the experiment is still running. Total turnaround: approximately 15 minutes.
Also on this:
> The numbers are staggering: The DOE's light and neutron source facilities now produce tens of petabytes of data annually
Come on, petabytes are not staggering for entreprise software.
I didn't meant to say that PBs of image data is common place - we had no image that approached that size - but people outside the domain of microscope scan results might be unfamiliar with just how chonky these image files would get traditionally.
It isn't just a giant database of small files and metadata blindly feeding a recommender system.
Several petabytes is definitely a staggering amount of data in that context of being analyzed by human eyes to extract some scientific value.
The LHC, on the other hand, that generates a petabyte a second and has to throw most of it away for obvious reasons:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/computing-for-the-large-hadro...
Unless someone can correct me, the total amount of grant monies is $280,000,000 or so.
It became obvious that it’s not worth my time to engage in the “mission” as they call it, even if I could benefit some worthwhile causes.
That’s a pittance and pretty insulting to the purported benefit of funding scientific endeavors. I’m not even attempting to be political here. $280 Million versus $XX Billion for warfighting is a seriously gross misallocation of public monies, IMHO.
Total lackluster reporting on the scale and scope of the actual numbers, but not surprising.
Popular microscopy models like Cellpose[0] have leaned heavily on the cornucopia of open and SOTA power. I have no doubt thousands of biologists have benefitted from the capabilities these models bring. I think it was unthinkable just 5 years ago that a single biologist with just a laptop could do mass-segmentation at this kind of fidelity.
Then there's Napari and it's plugin ecosystem[1] that wouldn't exist without the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. Again, I'm not trying to glaze them but as someone in the biotech/microscopy space I can't understate how often I use and benefit from their open source.
[0] https://cellpose.readthedocs.io/en/latest/models.html [1] https://chanzuckerberg.com/rfa/napari-plugin-grants/
ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...
...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, but Redux isn't a complete, all-under-one-roof framework the way React is; but regardless of that: The Redux/React approach is just fundamentally a better design than what we had before: stateful-controls/widgets and two-way data-binding.
If you'd like to relive how UI devs suffered throughout the 1990s, 2000s, and most of the 2010s I invite you to try making a native Windows 11 desktop UI using WinUI3 using the MVVM (anti-) pattern: nothing but mutable objects of indeterminable state getting caught in infinite-loops or unbound recursion due to INotifyPropertyChanged - and Microsoft is still pretending that's the "right" way to build a UI.
Sorry am ranting on about something I have very little control over; it's just frustating.
Rant on brother/sister. I'm a year into building a large WPF (because reasons) app for my employer and some days its very difficult.
Maybe Microsoft just never was very good at these 1990s style GUIs?
I'm sorry, was this article drafted in 2024 and never updated?
https://github.com/facebookresearch/sam3
They have another with calling A100s modern.
> A100 GPUs — the high-performance computing chips that power today's most advanced AI systems.
They might not have written it with AI, but the article has a lot of em dashs and colons and not this but that statements.
But what's the point of correcting you? People will continue to propagate their own lies.
SAM License (https://github.com/facebookresearch/sam3/blob/main/LICENSE):
> iv. Your use of the SAM Materials will not involve or encourage others to reverse engineer, decompile or discover the underlying components of the SAM Materials.
> v. You are not the target of Trade Controls and your use of SAM Materials must comply with Trade Controls. You agree not to use, or permit others to use, SAM Materials for any activities subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) or end uses prohibited by Trade Controls, including those related to military or warfare purposes, nuclear industries or applications, espionage, or the development or use of guns or illegal weapons.
> b. If you institute litigation or other proceedings against Meta or any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the SAM Materials, outputs or results, or any portion of any of the foregoing, constitutes infringement of intellectual property or other rights owned or licensable by you, then any licenses granted to you under this Agreement shall terminate as of the date such litigation or claim is filed or instituted. You will indemnify and hold harmless Meta from and against any claim by any third party arising out of or related to your use or distribution of the SAM Materials.
The DINOv3 License (https://github.com/facebookresearch/dinov3/blob/main/LICENSE...) is similar but with the model names swapped.
It's always nice when a model's weights are released, but Meta's models are not open source because their weights always come with weird restrictions.
It's almost as if having a CEO of a company placed beyond the control of the corporate board is a bad thing.