Lisp's Influence on Ruby(blog.tacoda.dev)
162 pointsby tacodaJun 11, 2026

7 Comments

pjmlpJun 14, 2026
That is actually Lisp influence on Smalltalk, and Perl, that eventually influenced Ruby.
dragonwriterJun 14, 2026
No, its actual influence from Lisp-family languages (including Scheme). Yes, Lisp also influenced Perl and Smalltalk, but Matz was not ignorant of Lisp with the only influence om Ruby from Lisp being indirect through those other languages.
Smalltalker-80Jun 14, 2026
Totalle agree, I just googled it: "Yukihiro 'Matz' Matsumoto heavily credits Smalltalk as the deepest structural inspiration behind Ruby’s object model. He combined Smalltalk’s beautiful object-oriented architecture and message-passing system with features from other languages to create a tool designed primarily for developer happiness." Including the closures and collection operations.
riffraffJun 14, 2026
"Some may say Ruby is a bad rip-off of Lisp or Smalltalk, and I admit that. But it is nicer to ordinary people."

(Matz speaking at the LL2 conference some 20+ years ago)

0xpgmJun 14, 2026
From the article

> Matz has said as much. He’s described Ruby’s design as starting from a simple Lisp, stripping out macros and s-expressions, then adding an object system, blocks, and Smalltalk-style methods. The features most Rubyists fall in love with aren’t the object-oriented ones. They’re the functional ones, dressed in friendlier clothes.

wglbJun 14, 2026
But macros and s-expressions are two of my favorites parts of lisp!
dismalafJun 14, 2026
Funny enough Lisp was originally meant to be written in a higher level syntax (with infix operators and everything).

But yeah, macros and S-expressions make it easier to write your own DSLs.

pjmlpJun 14, 2026
With decades later, Dylan and Julia becoming the only ones that kind of managed to get some adoption doing it.

For better or worse, parenthesis aren't that bad with the proper IDE tooling.

DonHopkinsJun 14, 2026
What have the Lisps ever done for us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

BoingBoomTschakJun 14, 2026
Always fun to remind grugs that LISP invented "if" and GC.
dismalafJun 14, 2026
I love Ruby, use it for most of my projects that don't require performance.

Nothing I would love more than a Ruby with a Common-Lisp like compiler and runtime. Unboxed types, native compilation, partial compilation, live image (Ruby has this but "faster Rubies" like Crystal don't), etc...

rjswJun 14, 2026
... or just use Common Lisp.
dismalafJun 14, 2026
Which is what I do. One can dream though right? Of a world where Ruby stayed just a tad more Lisp-y and less Perl/C/Smalltalk/Unix-y.

Also I'm working on a DSL/Macros that give me more Ruby-esque quality of life things in Lisp.

ralphcJun 14, 2026
Common Lisp, and even more so Racket, has reader macros. With a little help from LLMs you might be able to get a Ruby-like language that translates into Lisp.

As a last resort look at Racket's "Rhombus" language, it's basically an infix, Python-like syntax on top of Racket. You can use that or see how they pull it off and add Ruby constructs to it.

danlittJun 14, 2026
> He’s described Ruby’s design as starting from a simple Lisp, stripping out macros and s-expressions

Put the macros back! It would be so cool!

KerrAvonJun 14, 2026
You kind of don't need them in Ruby, because everything is a method or an object or a closure and you can dynamically create and alter those at runtime. That's why Ruby is really good for ad-hoc DSLs in ways that Rust and Swift really are not.
evwJun 14, 2026
For folks that want all of this plus macros (and a lot of other great things), check out Elixir.
ashton314Jun 14, 2026
100% Elixir is much more a Lisp than Ruby is.
jksmithJun 14, 2026
Now that I'm out of the corporate tyranny and have my own company, I use lisp for everything. There's certain satisfaction in writing config files and persisting data directly in s-expressions. Any json requirements are triggered by exports to foreign systems.
atcolJun 14, 2026
Which Lisp, out of interest?
hyperrailJun 14, 2026
One way I find traditional Lisp style more painful for functional code than Ruby is that fully functional-style Lisp pushes me to read and write code the opposite way from how I think about it. In the author's example:

    orders
      .select { |o| o.placed_at > 1.week.ago }
      .group_by(&:customer_id)
      .transform_values { |group| group.sum(&:total) }
the equivalent Lisp code would either be written in imperative style as multiple statements that each write to a temporary variable or (let) binding, or would look like this:

    (reduce #'+
      (map (lambda (o) (getf o 'total))
        ; this group_by replacement function
        ; might be written as hash-table code
        (my-group-by 'customer-id
          (remove-if-not
            (lambda (o)
              (>
                (getf o 'placed-at)
                (- (my-now) (* 60 60 24 7))))
            orders))))
where I now have to read from bottom to top to understand the order of operations on the `orders` record set, even though when I wrote the code earlier, I "logically" thought from first operation to last when deciding which high-level operations to use in which order.

Other imperative languages that support functional code either make you do things imperatively to get the "logical" ordering of functional operations like I feel Lisp pushes you to do, or they do something like Ruby where things can be chained left to right in a "single" statement even for operations that were not thought of ahead of time by the creators of opaque data structures you later need to operate on. (Everything is a user-extensible object like Ruby, unified function call syntax in D, extension methods in C#, or pipelines of structured objects in PowerShell.)

evdubsJun 14, 2026
Threading macros are nice, though, right?

https://docs.racket-lang.org/threading/introduction.html